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Abortion shouldn't be allowed. Simply destroying life is wrong enough. But why is it wrong? An unborn baby is still considered life. Life is endless and it shouldn't be wasted.

But what about in over populated countries? Or soon to be over populated countries. You wouldn't be able to have more than a certain amount of kids so if you go over the limit, you either get jailed or getting an abortion.

So is abortion right when it involves your pain? Is it wrong when you are forced to do it?

if u say abortion is wrong then it cant be right in any situation...
if u are forced into abortion then it is wrong...and i say that while at the same time thinking abortion should be allowed



Ah. Let me ask you this. Would it be wrong if you were aborted by your parents when you were still unborn?

i will answer this with my own opinion over this whole situation
no it would not be wrong.
if im saying that a person should be able to abort their child then the same holds true for my parents
really its all about ethics if u want to ask something like that and i can stick to my beliefs no matter who its talking about




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Since Im a girl and you guys arnt... I can say that if I were to get pregnant at my age I would get an abortion. I know I would be a crappy mom. And if I had the baby there is no way I could give it up for adoption. I would hate knowing that my child is out there somewhere and I may never see them. I know that sounds sort of selfish but Im sure thats how a lot of teenage girls think...



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Again, you cannot decide yourself what one's future is going to be.  You cannot say that something's future does not matter, everyone's future can make a difference in the world, a tough situation early on in life could lead to the child wanting to change things and make a big difference in the world.  A parent doesn't know if they are ready to have a child or not because they have never had one.  How would they have the personal experience of having one if they never had one?  You say that the future of a life doesn't change its value, you are wrong.  Not every life has the same value, that is a fact of the world, some of us are not as important as others and you need to realize that.

yes, you are right in saying i cant determine what the child will do..
but that doesnt mean what i say doesnt have a point
and in saying some lives are more important than others...u really cant say that. unless you have been in other peoples shoes u cant say they are more or less important that you. everyone is important to someone and being important to more people than someone else doesnt make you better then them.
and you keep talking about the childs choices in life...what about the parents? they are a key issue in this subject and you cant force your opinions on them by saying that their child may be important. if you want to use that logic then i should be able to persuade a couple not wanting abortion into abortion by saying their child might suffer. and thats just not gonna happen


But that is exactly what you just did! Now you are contradicting yourself! You really have not put yourself in other people's shoes to realize that there are more important people than you. I realize that there are more important people than me. People who change other's lives with their own choices and accomplishments and their positions in life. Not everyone has the same oppurtunity to do the same things, we aren't that lucky, this is a twisted world where babies do die on the streets, therefore that life was less important because it didn't change the world, influence the world, for all we know the parents abandoned it and have already forgotten about it.


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It all depends on your views on life. Something that makes you feel wronged can be a daily thing in another's life. Whether or not we think its wrong or not, Abortion happens every single day, and we can't change it right here. If you were to ask a specialist in the abortion field, would they say they enjoy their jobs? Or simply a way to make money?

The question I asked was probably sided and unfair but questions are never stupid or never fair. Questions are there to be asked, and then to answered. Questions are never stupid because someone in somewhere does not know the answer to it.



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07-06-2007 12:49 PM
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too much quoting so @ excel-

what i said isnt contradictory, im just saying u cant determine the worth of someone until you have lived their life so u cant say they are better or worse than you
its true that some people are better or worse off than you even when they dont deserve it, but think about it. middle class people are the core of our society, working in all the jobs that keep the city going. if they decided to stop working then the city would fall apart meaning they have the same worth as the people who run the govenment. of course that example is easy to see whereas the prospect of homeless people being worth the same it much harder to see...but you said it yourself that from hard times, a person may decide to change things for the better and make a difference in the world




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07-06-2007 12:51 PM
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Why can't I determine someone's worth without living in their life? Just because I didn't have the same exact thought processes doesn't mean that I can realize their way of thinking things. Everyone can have the same potential, it is possible, but not everybody has the same value. You give the example of all of these middle calss workers quitting. what if just one quit compared to a leader of a country quitting. Do they both have the same impact on the country?


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Why can't I determine someone's worth without living in their life? Just because I didn't have the same exact thought processes doesn't mean that I can realize their way of thinking things. Everyone can have the same potential, it is possible, but not everybody has the same value. You give the example of all of these middle calss workers quitting. what if just one quit compared to a leader of a country quitting. Do they both have the same impact on the country?

yes if a leader quit then it would be just as devastating but much easier to recover from
another person can fill in that job but you would lack the amount of people to fill the void left by all the regular workers




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too much quoting so @ excel-

what i said isnt contradictory, im just saying u cant determine the worth of someone until you have lived their life so u cant say they are better or worse than you
its true that some people are better or worse off than you even when they dont deserve it, but think about it. middle class people are the core of our society, working in all the jobs that keep the city going. if they decided to stop working then the city would fall apart meaning they have the same worth as the people who run the govenment. of course that example is easy to see whereas the prospect of homeless people being worth the same it much harder to see...but you said it yourself that from hard times, a person may decide to change things for the better and make a difference in the world


You can't really determine the worth of your own life either. Others would say how much other people are worth and will never agree with you. Humans are a confusing species because we don't have a definite answer to ourselves



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umm what kunai said is true...so u cant determine your own value either..but i fear we are getting off topic..(really?)
so lets just stop this discussion or move it to a new thread




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07-06-2007 12:59 PM
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Move to what thread? This is completely on topic because it has to do with trying to justify our opinions on abortion. And on what you said to me before, it wouldn't be just as devastating because the leader would have a much more devastating affect on the whole country, and you can't compare it to multiple people quitting because then it wouldn't be an equal comparison. You can find just about anybody to fill in a middle class job, you can't just pick anyone to be a nation's leader.


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07-07-2007 04:04 AM
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